reid in the senate. you're just not seeing it. >> you don't see enough of it. curiously, the markets -- investors are actually increasing their exposure which is kind of contrarian to your point. i do believe to julia's point, you'll see a receding or retreat in that attitude over the next several days and few week ifs we can't get ourselves closer. i remain optimistic. the president wants a legacy and his legacy depends on this. and two proposals have been put forth. they resemble each other in terms of the amount they've asked for. i give republicans credit. they understand revenue has to be part of the deal. the question remains whether it's marginal rates or limiting deductions. adults should be able to come together and get that deal done. >> what happens here in the short term and long term. the short-term thing's not going to be much of a solution. >> no, i don't think so. and mark halperin, you talk about these deals possibly being $2 trillion. we went $5 trillion in debt over the past four or fi